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I've worked out how to make my life that much more productive, and that's to have all the shows I love shown on a 24 hour delay. Which is to say I have spent the entirety of today avoiding the internet so as to avoid Game of Thrones spoilers. Which was kind of ridiculous when you think that I've read the books, twice...


-I can already tell this series may as well be subtitled Game of Thrones: Revenge of the Sansa Feelings. I just. She had one scene. One. And I just can't. One day Sophie Turner is going to grow up and have her own show and I am going to die from her face.

God, Sansa. She's such a survivor. And that's as brave as anything her brother's are doing, that's fucking heroic.

-I have long said that if Tyrion and Cersei could have found a way to work together they would have been unstoppable. Best scene in a pretty awesome episode.

-I have never been that interested in Stannis and his court, it's not that I dislike them, it's just that I sort of... forget about them. They turn up and I go... Hang on, didn't you lot die, like, three books ago? But here it seems like the show is doing that thing they did with Dany and Cersei, interesting me in characters I previously wasn't that bothered about purely through the power of awesome casting.

-Is it weird that by far the most interesting part of the Bran in Winterfell storyline is Osha?

-The show is also conspiring to make me ship Dany/all of the people. Seriously, Doreah, Jorah, Rakharo, bring it on. Whereas in the books I find Dany's taste in men so diabolically awful and unhelpful that I mostly ship Dany/dragons and Dany/being queen.

-Still fucking loving Dany's dragons. Although, did they spent the entire CGI budget on that scene, because I was much less convinced by Grey Wind, which was sad because it's basically a giant magic wolf, I should be eating this shit up with a spoon.

-Robb. King Robb. Mostly I appreciate that Richard Madden's default mode as Robb Stark is "smoulder" it makes for fun viewing, but there's a point where you're not sure if he's intentionally having UST with his own mother when it's just -- stop -- just stop.

-Okay, so this is the bit where I talk about how the Stark v. Lannister war is only notionally about Joffrey and Robb and is entirely a battle between these two fierce mothers, Lioness v. She-Wolf.

-One of the changes I really appreciated from the book is that Robb orders Cat to stay and be his envoy to Renly. Cat has always gotten a lot of hate for not returning to Winterfell, and I never really understood it, in the books they're at Riverrun where her dying father is, plus Robb's a much younger commander more in need of her. But, still, I wasn't looking forward to round 5 million of that argument in show!fandom so hopefully that's been neatly sidestepped.

I just loved their scene, Robb's trust in her, and promising her that they'll all go home, because that's what Robb's kinghood is to Cat, not a grab for power or freedom, but her last, her only chance to keep her family safe and together.

-Even though I don't always like her, Cersei Lannister is fascinating to me. I would watch an entire show about Cersei and fucked up gender issues. Because she's a character who has a lot of rage about being excluded from the halls of power on account of her sex, but at the same time has a lot of internalised misogyny towards other women. I think, part of it is because she's got a male twin, she doesn't have to imagine how her life would be different if she were a man, Jaime is the living breathing embodiment of it. Another is part and parcel of being a Lannister, the usual rules don't apply to her, or at least they shouldn't, she's not a woman she's a lioness. Look the her scene with Littefinger, that's a cat playing with its prey if ever I saw one. And then there's Joffrey, her golden boy, who she loves and adores more than her own life, who she has done terrible things for, and would do again. And he's fucking up all her carefully laid plans, and she's powerless to stop him. Her darling boy, treating her not as a queen or as a lioness, but as a mere women.

Now the rational, cold-hearted, Lannister thing to do here is to write Joff off as a lost cause and try again with one of the younger two, but Cersei will never do that because, as Tyrion says, she loves her children.

-Jon Snow was also in this episode. Hey, remember when Jon Snow used to be my favourite? I wonder what happened? Not enough Samwell, maybe?

Date: 2012-04-03 04:50 am (UTC)
karatam: (ASOIAF | Sansa)
From: [personal profile] karatam
I can't even fully articulate my Sansa feelings. Like, the camera will be on her face (and oh man, Sophie Turner's face is just perfect) for half a second and I'm already on the floor because of feelings.

The recapper for Rolling Stone magazine put it well: "The impressive young actress Sophie Turner plays Sansa with the thousand-yard stare and flat-affect voice of an abuse victim living from beating to beating. Sansa gets a lot of grief from fans of the show and the books alike – she’s stupid, she’s insipid, she’s prissy, she’s gutless. Bullshit. She’s doing what she needs to do to survive, as the episode’s opening scene demonstrates. She instinctively plays to Joffrey’s narcissism and cruelty, convincing him to spare a drunken knight’s life while dropping enough “Your Grace”s on him to make him think it was his idea. If she’d been less courteous, like the other Starks would have been, she’d be dead."

Dany/dragons will forever my my OTP for her (also Dany/Queen with Sansa as the Wolf in the North)

I also have these very conflicting feelings where I sometimes want Sansa and Tyrion to continue their marriage of convenience (without the sex, though, because she's still like 13) to ally the Starks and the Lannisters and then those two can take over ruling everything and everyone. IDK it makes me feel disloyal and gross but I want it anyways.

Long comment is long.

Date: 2012-04-03 04:07 pm (UTC)
karatam: (ASOIAF | Sansa)
From: [personal profile] karatam
I love that underneath her politeness and beauty and naivete and apparent weakness, Sansa is still a Wolf. She is a Stark, no matter how much she looks like a Tully.

I like our endgame for this series more than any other that I've seen. Dany + Sansa + POWER AND DRAGONS AND BEING QUEENS = best

and I'm really intrigued by how they're going to handle the Sansa/Tyrion interactions when it comes time to. (also, Sansa and Margaery Tyrell)

Date: 2012-04-03 09:55 pm (UTC)
miarrow: (A:tLA : Azula on the attack)
From: [personal profile] miarrow
I'm slightly nervous as to how the Tyrion/Sansa is going to play out, because a) Sophie is older than 13 Sansa, and b) Tyrion is Peter Dinklage, so in effect, a charming hunk.

Then again I have started to really dislike him in the books, which the show makes me forget because PETER IS AWESOME so I don't know how I'm going to feel when it approaches the stuff that makes me dislike Tyrion.

Date: 2012-04-03 03:52 pm (UTC)
fyrdrakken: (GRRM keeps killing Starks)
From: [personal profile] fyrdrakken
Oh, yes, I read that review yesterday and it was such a wonderful paragraph.

I've had the thought that I would be very pleased if the way it all shakes out is Sansa and Tyrion and Dany having the three dragons and ruling over Westeros together. (Especially since, judging by the way things have been going, by the time Sansa and Tyrion see each other again, she'll be much older than 13.)

Date: 2012-04-04 03:36 pm (UTC)
fyrdrakken: (Fire and Blood)
From: [personal profile] fyrdrakken
I've been cutting Dany some slack on the man front because A) she started out as a motherless thirteen-year-old who's been having to learn all this shit as she went along by trial-and-error and B) her first husband she was handed to as a piece of valuable property with no say in the matter, and the second husband was a marriage she was politically forced into -- neither was a marriage she'd have sought out of her own accord. I'm really fine with her experimenting with various lovers and starting to learn how to do this relationship thing and what kind of traps to avoid before she starts getting heavily involved in Westerosi politics. (Especially since one of the things that bother me with Cersei the evil twin/Jaime the good twin is that Jaime is presented as "faithful" to his sister, while she sleeps with any man who catches her eye or seems to need seducing to bend to her will. I like the contrast of having a powerful promiscuous heroine to undermine the "virtuous = chaste" message -- I also like that Margaery was explicitly taking lovers and yet was presented as a "good queen.")

Date: 2012-04-04 07:53 pm (UTC)
fyrdrakken: (Beach - cave)
From: [personal profile] fyrdrakken
Cersei has been dealing with unfortunate circumstances in her life: She's been a pawn in her father's political dealings, she was married to a man who never loved her (thereby cutting her off from what little power she might have expected to wield as a queen), she lost her mother early (which screwed her over twice over -- no one to teach her how a noblewoman in Westeros can exert power in a subtle behind-the-scenes way, and that whole thing where Joanna would have put her foot down about marrying Cersei off to the crown prince and kept Tywin from the whole power-play business that contributed so much to the civil war and quite possibly married Elia of Dorne off to Jamie and had Rhaegar still single when he met Lyanna Stark and made the war never have happened at all).

But. There are a couple of things that made me really dislike Cersei -- for one, how we found out that she wheedled Jaime into trying out for the Kingsguard and thereby sacrificing his inheritance and any chance of a marriage and a good honorable life, putting himself into the Mad King's hands with all that later entailed, solely because she didn't want to see him married off and separated from her. I have a real problem with that level of selfishness on her part, even as a teenager.

And the other is that whole Lannister-Lannister-all-the-time-Lannister thing she learned from Tywin (which, geeze, married his own Lannister cousin), that led to her insisting on her husband giving as many of her relatives court positions as room could be found for, and making sure the kingdom would be inherited by Lannisters with no Baratheon blood, and refusing to give the Hand of the King position to a Tyrell bannerman even though that was a really smart suggestion her uncle made regarding making taking an ally away from a rival house and making him her own man. She seems constitutionally incapable of sharing power or privileges with anyone outside her own family. That may be of a piece with her blindness to what Joffrey is -- always always always taking Joffrey's side against the world and especially against Robert, never willing to see what a problem her beautiful golden boy was.

Date: 2012-04-03 09:53 pm (UTC)
miarrow: (Default)
From: [personal profile] miarrow
Yes to all your Sansa feelings. I didn't even realize that was only one scene, I was just like SANNNNNNNNNNNNSA the entire time, because of her GLORIOUSLY EFFECTIVE FACE.

I think, part of it is because she's got a male twin, she doesn't have to imagine how her life would be different if she were a man, Jaime is the living breathing embodiment of it.

COMPLETELY and what an awesome thought on the matter. Cersei even bookwise FACISNATES me and has been stepping up and up in my favorite characters range (Lena Headey helped with that for sure) and just the way she manages the misogynstic society they're all in is amazing and breathtaking and SAD all at once. I don't know how many times she's been RIGHT about stuff, but been put down because she's the little woman. I think maybe some of her hate of Tyrion stems from that too. I mean, after all, their father HATES Tyrion, but he gave him the power to rule the Kingdom over Cersei, because Tyrion has a penis and she doesn't.

It's just interesting. I could write odes and odes to my thoughts on Cersei.

Lena Headey's acting is top notch (not that I'm surprised) too, because her face after she hit Joff was just wow. It was like, what have I done, I cannot be the thing I hate most (Robert) this is my boy and also this moment of realization that he wasn't going to listen to her and she was still deferring to another man in her life.

Date: 2012-04-04 03:28 pm (UTC)
fyrdrakken: (John Constantine - nice things)
From: [personal profile] fyrdrakken
The biggest tactical mistake I see Cersei as having made in her coup was in sitting Joffrey on the throne with the crown on his head, letting him play at being king immediately, rather than being on the throne herself as regent and keeping him leashed until he was of age. But she didn't understand what he was enough to realize how he'd actually act with all that power dropped into his grasp, until it was too late to take it away from him and make him behave. (Ongoing flaw in her character, never seeing Joffrey for what he was and making too many excuses for his sadistic behavior.)


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