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Ah, Legends of Tomorrow, the little show that could.

I don't watch any of the other shows set in the same universe. I've never seen a single episode of Arrow or The Flash, I watched the first two seasons of Supergirl before drifting away, and I didn't even know that Constantine had had a show before he fetched up on Legends. My point is that you don't have to have watched any of the other shows to follow Legends of Tomorrow. You barely have to watch Legends of Tomorrow to follow Legends of Tomorrow. It's bananapants. It's delightful. Just go with it.

The first season is...not good. I watched it all in a single chunk overnight during -- it was either the brexit referendum or the US presidential, flicking back to the BBC between episodes in the hope that the world had righted itself. Alas. Now, I'm not saying that the first season is without bright spots; the 1958 episodes are a bit okay, and possibly worth circling back to, but I wouldn't start with any of it.

I don't know what happened behind the scenes between seasons, but I feel like there was a meeting where one exec says to another: I worry that we've made a bad show, my guy.
Should we do something about it, then? says the other chap.
Yes, says the first bloke, we're going to steer hard into the skid.

Season two starts with the Legends fighting laser wielding time pirates in broad daylight in the fifteenth century while Sara seduces the queen of France the day she's supposed to conceive the sun king. It set the new tone, and set it hard

All the the things I'd liked least about the first season - the hawk people, Arthur Darvill's Tenth Doctor cosplay, Snart - were pretty much written out. The hawk people were never spoken of again. Snart stayed dead. In retrospect I wonder if my antipathy towards Leonard was that they seemed to be teasing Snart/Sara, because I liked gay alternate universe Leo fine. What can I say, I am lesbian of simple wants who enjoys watching Sara Lance macking on ladies. The show belated realised that Sara should have been the lead all along and promoted her to captain. Actually one of the other things I was less than keen on in S1 was Sara's angsty, I am death backstory, and I have never felt moved to go back and watch her episodes of Arrow for more details. She was an assassin for a while. She was dead for another while. And now she is dashing Captain Sara Lance, bad babysitter turned team mom who is only incrementally more mature than the ducklings she has been left in charge of, but is trying her best.

The plots are like someone is using tv tropes as a checklist, but in, like, a knowing, self-aware way.

Here I shall include a brief list of taster episodes:

Abominations - The Legends fight confederate zombies
Camelot/3000 - The Legends go to Camelot; Guinevere rules, Sara is Lancelot, and Merlin is a girl
Helen Hunt - The Legends meet Helen of Troy, also Wonder Woman exists in this universe
Here I Go Again - Time loop!
Wet Hot American Bummer - De-aging, and an awesome meta bit where the show contrives to have a character read aloud one of their terrible season one reviews. Even they know they were a bit shit back then.

But if you only want to watch two episodes make them Beebo the God of War and The Good, the Bad, and the Cuddly. There is nothing I could say that could possibly do them justice.

The other thing I really like is the ever rotating cast and how the show makes me okay with it - I didn't love Nate or Zari when they first joined the crew of the Waverider but now they're my faves. Along with, it must be said, literally everyone else. The phrase 'I love everyone in this bar' was basically designed for this show. I was severely miffed when Constantine and his Newcastle-by-way-of-Wales accent joined the crew, because he so very much not a character type I appreciate, but right around the time he finished pouring out his romantic woes to cat!Zari by going 'you're so soft' I decided I was all in for him. And although I started the season rooting for him and Gary (everyone deserves love, no matter how silly) I hope he manages to save Des. And, actually, now that I'm thinking about it, between John/Desmond and Sara/Ava the show has done a same-sex true love's kiss breaks the spell twice in the space of five episodes.

Speaking of Sara/Ava I was iffy about giving Sara a serious love interest because I'd loved her as a sort of time travelling fuckboy with a girl in every century. But I thought they did the transition from antagonists to lovers to basically time wives really well. Although I did like that they ended S3 on a sort of ambiguous note for them, feeling that they'd learned a lesson from Supergirl on not going all in on a ship before checking they can get the actor back.

So that's Legends of Tomorrow. A bit like Lost Girl with its tropes and gayness, only better. A bit like Doctor Who, with its time travel and silliness, only with episodes produced on a more regular schedule. A show that more people should watch, and then come and talk to me about.

Date: 2018-12-15 05:00 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kith_koby
*enthusiastic appplause* *encore, encore*

This was a lovely review, and it absolutely convinced me. I will immediately put the second season of LoT on my to-watch list. Hopefully I might get to it when I finish this semester or the next one.

Date: 2018-12-15 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kith_koby
The problem will be starting, of course...

Date: 2018-12-16 10:29 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kith_koby
Well, I'm sure we'd all like to hear about that for advent as well. At least, I know I would love to do so. It's a good distraction from my utter lack of life (I'm so deep into schoolwork I have 70 unread emails in my inbox, almost all of which are stories that updated that I have no time to read), besides being genuinely interesting.

Date: 2018-12-15 08:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hibernate
Oooh, yes! I watched season 1 when it aired, but for various reasons I ended up quitting all the DC shows after that. I only picked Legends back up recently, but I'm glad I did because it's such a fun ride! (Still hate the crossover episodes, though. Blergh.)

The plots are like someone is using tv tropes as a checklist, but in, like, a knowing, self-aware way.

This!!!!

The other thing I really like is the ever rotating cast and how the show makes me okay with it

It's working out really great for the show, I think. They're really good at making me care for all kinds of characters, even ones who shouldn't appeal to me. Constantine is the obvious big one, but I also never thought I'd grow to care this much for Nate.

Sidebar, I think the most memorable thing this show has done was the episode Guest Starring John Noble, in which John Noble got to play himself in a scene that was as geniusly meta as it was bizarre. Like, did they just...??

Date: 2018-12-15 11:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] havocthecat
This show. It was my continuing delight last year when I didn't have many continuing delights.

Date: 2018-12-15 11:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lilacsigil
So can I just start with S2???

Date: 2018-12-16 09:00 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cdybedahl
I wonder if they're going somewhere with Charlie's "So you think I'm hot" to Zari in the latest episode. Going by their Twitter posts, the actresses are all for it. Also it'd be really fun.

Date: 2018-12-16 02:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] blueswan
This show! It's my only appointment tv this year, at least until Elementary returns. I love the way the show and it's actors embrace the zany and just run with it, chewing the scenery with gusto and enthusiam. And it still manages to be approachable and embraceable. It does remind me a bit of Lost Girl in that way, without the old-school crap Jay Firestone brought to Lost Girl. (I don't watch the other shows in that verse either and have no interest in the crossover episodes.) I'm here for the sentient spaceship, Mick Rory the writer of gothic romance novels, and Sarah Lance, badass and angst queen.

Legends is my happy place these days. It's all fun and adventure and goodtimes. Show!

Date: 2018-12-19 02:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] selenay
As you probably learned from femslashex, everything you said is what I feel about this beautiful batshit show. It's amazing.

Last year's season finale was peak batshit AND I COULDN'T HAVE BEEN HAPPIER. We are all Bebo.

I haven't seen any of this year's yet, but that's because I haven't found a legal source (I am happy to pay) and I don't have the energy to look for sketchy sources. So I plan to grab it as soon as it's available for purchase on iTunes or whatever, because this is the only DC show I still care about and it seems like it won't disappoint.

I'd been concerned about Sara getting a serious love interest and then I loved it, so I was disappointed about the ambiguous way their relationship was left at the end of last season. Guess I don't need to worry?

Date: 2018-12-21 11:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dhampyresa
I worry that we've made a bad show, my guy.
Should we do something about it, then? says the other chap.
Yes, says the first bloke, we're going to steer hard into the skid.


AND IT IS AWESOME

I love this show so much

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